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Reconciling the Larger Count

Over the past week (and particularly this weekend), I’ve spent several long hours going through big picture counts on the major exchanges and sub-indices. I’m going to share my thoughts in a video (below), which looks at the final 5th wave of the NYSE, SP500, and NDX to see how they correlate and what the probable path forward is to a final top.

There aren’t any surprises, based upon the counts I’ve been presenting, but correlating two different exchanges that have differing structures (which have to top at the same time,), can bring with it some challenges — just staying on top of the changing counts.

Exchange counts can’t get out of alignment with their sub-indices on a grand scale, but the structures are often so different at market tops (where you can see non-confirmations, where volume is thin, and where there are forces are work trying to keep sectors up and prevent the inevitable crash), that it can be a real challenge keeping a valid count so that you can predict the probable outcome in a specific sub-index. All the attempts to avert the eventual market demise will fail, but the cool thing is, it doesn’t affect the Elliott Wave structure to a point where rules are broken.

Remember Elliott Wave analysis is all about probabilities, and you don’t have set-ups all the time, but it can be a valuable tool in identifying important inflection points and high probability outcomes.

It’s often extremely difficult to follow and atone for some of unexpected ups and down. However, in my years of technical analysis, I’ve learned that there’s a technical reason for everything that happens in the market. It’s a question of putting in the many hours it takes to do the work, uncovering the clues across several indices.

The big lesson here is (as I’ve been saying) is that you cannot be successful in market analysis if you’re not looking across the entire market in order to determine the highest probability direction of a single index.

The Big Picture Count

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US Market Snapshot (based on end-of-week wave structure)

This chart is posted to provide a prediction of future market direction. DO NOT trade based upon the information presented here (certainly NOT from a daily chart).

Above is the daily chart of ES (click to enlarge, as with any of my charts).

We've been sitting at the top now for about three weeks. As my Trader's Gold folks know,  we've been in an expanding triangle for two weeks (this is an ending pattern).

ES has risen to well above the 76% level of the height of the previous set of waves down from the all-time high at October 3, 2018. Almost all the other assets I cover on a daily basis are hovering near inflection points.

As I've been saying over and over like a broken record, all major asset classes are moving as one. That requires them all to reach new B wave highs before they can turn down together. It's been like herding cats and has taken much longer than expected.

IWM (Russell 2000) still needs new interim highs before everything heads down in a dramatic capitulation — we're now about a dollar away from that top.

All these indices are showing signs of exhaustion, with gaps that are being left unfilled.

The next major move is to the downside.

The wave up from Dec. 26 is clearly corrective and, as a result, must fully retrace to the downside. This is supported by the US Dollar Index, the major USD currency pairs, WTI Oil, along with DAX, TSX, and other international exchanges.

Summary: My preference is for a dramatic drop in a C wave to a new low that should when all these asset classes I've identified have reached their targets. The culmination of this drop should mark the bottom of this large fourth wave in progress since January 29, 2018 - over a full year of Hell. It may be a dramatic drop that lasts multiple months, and will target the previous fourth wave area somewhere under 2100.

Once we've completed the fourth wave down, we'll have a long climb to a final new high in a fifth wave.


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  • Joe Longwill May 1, 2019, 3:01 am

    I have noticed over the years that others have noticed
    The square root of .618 show up in timing . Most of these
    Insights were noted after the fact .
    Here is something I’m just going to post .
    Not going in detail .
    38.2 * 38.2 = 1459.24. …divide by 365 and you get 3.9979
    Could the 4 year cycle be the square root of a fib 38.2 ?
    88.6*88.6= 7849.96. Divide by 365 and you get 21.5067 years
    78.6*78.6 ends up as 16.9259 years running it the same as above .
    16.9259*2 =33.85 years
    I’m finding this becoming interesting enough to dig into further this year
    with actual market data .
    Martin Armstrong used pi 3141 days And the square root being 56
    8.6 years was 3141 divided by 365 .
    Note the square root of 3141 is damn near a Fibonacci 55.
    Why all of the sudden am I posting Fibonacci thoughts ?
    A bit of very short background .
    I began Fibonacci trading back in the early 1990’s and I have
    Gravitated to other methods . There are moments in history where
    Everything comes together and when it does Fibonacci turn dates
    Tend to nail the dates .
    Adobting an Armstrong idea and blending it with other Fibonacci methods
    May just show me something new .
    23.6*23.6=556.96 / 365 = 1.5259 . Not a 1.6 but the difference between
    1.618 and 1.5259 is only .0921 times 365 = 33.6165 days ( damn near a fib 34
    And damn near a 33.618 difference )
    I know of no one who has thought of this

  • Ed May 1, 2019, 6:37 am


    So is it fair to say that your above post describes your search for more precise turning points? Thanks for your input.

  • Ed May 1, 2019, 6:42 am


    Should have added that your comment that “there are moments in history where everything comes together.” Perhaps your idea seeks to confirm Peter T’s belief that everything is approaching a significant turn!

    Good luck! I hope you decide to share your thoughts right here!

  • p. May 1, 2019, 7:32 am

    Hi Verne,

    No offense but I think you misunderstood. I requested Tom to “please share when your tools detect an inversion, only if time permits.” That means I hope he can post an inversion alert only when he has time to do so. No idea what made you think i asked to disclose his trading methodology 🙂

    • Verne Carty May 1, 2019, 10:26 am

      Got it! I stand corrected! 🙂

  • Verne Carty May 1, 2019, 10:28 am

    Exhaustion gap?
    We know how they like to negate these signals but VIX is complicating that game plan. Let’s see how she rolls….

    • Vivek Sahay May 1, 2019, 10:36 am

      All the signs are pointing to a reversal – but we have seen quite a few of these negated over the last 2 months. Very similar to the last 2 tops. Lets see if we can break any trendlines. From a trading perspective, I have been selling at top of channels and covering half at bottom. Will increase the short on break of support trendlines.

      • Vivek Sahay May 1, 2019, 10:41 am

        We have the FED coming up – they are capable of causing one final push above the trendline. If that happens, I would expect it to be brief.

        • Verne Carty May 1, 2019, 12:18 pm

          Yep. The jaw-boning has been remarkably effective.
          China! China! China! Lol!
          The blather about the possible trade deal does seem to be loosing its efficacy. FED standing pat on rates is 100% priced in.
          It is not beyond the realm of possibility in that they would respond to the obvious market weakness with announcement of a rate CUT!
          These guys know that this is a death match and they cannot afford to loose control of this market. We have all suspected that they are going to reserve “announcement” of a resumption of Q.E. for a potential fourth wave bottom but my own view is that they have already started down that road so not sure how lasting an effect any jaw-boning on the subject will now achieve. We are going to see some action the next 48 hours one way or the other. Looking forward to Peter’s take at the Chart Show today.
          I have a massive long vol position but I structured the trade to be virtually immune to any time decay issues as I had no idea how long they would keep things propped up I do know that a big volatility pop is coming, bankster attempts to prevent it notwithstanding.

  • Verne Carty May 1, 2019, 1:23 pm

    Price action today very weak. They are going to have to find some kind of catalyst to spike price higher beyond resistance. What, pray tell will it be? 🙂

    • mojo May 1, 2019, 1:29 pm

      Appreciate your comments Verne. VOL trading instruments stronger than VIX through comments and particularly now. It will be interesting to see this play out. I’m leaning a bit hard on VOL also… NDX VOL is turning positive again …

      • Verne Carty May 1, 2019, 1:53 pm


  • Verne Carty May 1, 2019, 1:29 pm

    A trend change ( lower low) will be confirmed with a take-out of 2926…

  • mojo May 1, 2019, 1:32 pm

    RUT back to under-perform again, SRTY resuming

  • Verne Carty May 1, 2019, 1:32 pm

    Any move and CLOSE of VIX above 14.00 will put the question firmly to the massive short vol cohort…

  • mojo May 1, 2019, 1:34 pm

    Put your sunglasses on, we will see what Peter T has to say. Cheers!

  • Verne Carty May 1, 2019, 1:43 pm

    Outside reversal day on deck? 🙂

  • mojo May 1, 2019, 1:52 pm

    Suppose there is still time for the PPT 😉

    • Verne Carty May 1, 2019, 1:57 pm

      They HAVE been busy as little beavers!

  • Vivek Sahay May 1, 2019, 1:54 pm

    Looks like a lot of us are looking at 2926 and 2890-2910 area. I will add to shorts below 2926 and then buy puts below 2890. I am busy during Peter’s Chart Show hours. Will have to stay awake an extra hour tonight to watch it later

  • Verne Carty May 1, 2019, 1:55 pm


  • Verne Carty May 1, 2019, 1:59 pm

    Wedges blowing up…!
    They generally all do! 🙂

    • mojo May 1, 2019, 2:19 pm

      Would have enjoyed a more impulsive drop (size-wise) in the majors, but looks to continue after hours. I think this gets real over the next couple quarters, but decisions to trim and add positions will mean a lot to equity curve. Blow! Wedge Blow!! 🙂

      • mojo May 1, 2019, 2:29 pm

        Some weekly engulfing across the indices would be nice. But expect chop through Friday until a confirmed candle.

      • Verne Carty May 1, 2019, 2:53 pm

        They unwound the leverage of the last ramp. They have yet to exit the levered spike past 2900.
        Let’s see if that comes by way of ES.
        Any pause there not a good sign for the immediate bearish outlook.
        We know how the banksters roll! 😉

  • Marie Slattery May 1, 2019, 2:02 pm


  • mojo May 1, 2019, 2:39 pm
    • mojo May 1, 2019, 2:44 pm

      Great, short video on change of volatility and Hedgeye process

  • Joe Longwill May 1, 2019, 3:55 pm

    The short answer is yes
    The long answer is a bit to long winded .
    As Martin Armstrong says ” everything is connected ”
    As Peter T has mentioned ( he mentions Robert prechter )
    It’s all the same market . Everything is moving in tandem .
    I have no real statement to make with RIOT
    But I’d like to just state an observation on it .
    Whether this shows up in other stocks or index’s
    I don’t know .
    RIOT moved from 1.29 to 4.24 which was 2.28 times move
    1.29*2.28 being 2.94 and change point move which peaked
    At 4.24 in about 9 weeks .
    Then a drop for 2 weeks to the 2.85 low .
    Taking that 2.28 ( 228% ) move and calling it an A wave
    Or an initial move ( no opinion from me on wave count )
    2.28 times 50% = 1.14
    The 2.85 price low times 1.14 ( a 50% price percent move of A
    In this example ) equals 3.249
    2.85 + 3.249 = 6.0990 ( call it 6.09-6.10 )
    The print high was about an 8 week move .
    The print high being 6.14
    Essentially wave C was 50% of wave A in terms of %
    And in terms of time Wave C was almost equal to A
    The entire move lasting 18 weeks .
    A low to high of 9 weeks in A plus 9 weeks
    Is known as a low to high to high count .
    No opinions here just found it interesting .

  • Tom C. May 1, 2019, 5:56 pm
    • p. May 1, 2019, 6:09 pm

      Thank you Tom. I wanted to go short right after the Fed announcement but couldn’t pull the trigger. This vicious bull market has conditioned me as such 🙁

      No pressure on you, but I am excited to see what happens on 5/6. Some natural born traders have some mysterious ability to sense upcoming sharp moves. Back pain for Soros, dream in your case, etc.

    • Bill rider May 2, 2019, 12:56 pm

      Thanks Tom, So you are expecting good decline tomorrow. How about next week

  • Ed May 1, 2019, 8:23 pm

    Peter G,

    Do you have any thoughts that you can share with us?

  • Verne Carty May 2, 2019, 5:40 am

    Subtle change in VIX decline. We now have flagging price action. I think the massive short vol cohort is about to get torched….again!!
    What IS the matter with these people??!!! 😁😁😁

  • Marie Slattery May 2, 2019, 6:42 am

    Thanks for the show! and Tom I am feeling your prediction I am attaching an IWM chart that I think is pretty interesting to see the crazy wedge we are in

  • Verne Carty May 2, 2019, 6:56 am

    Very few folk are expecting a decline of any significance.
    They are ALREADY crowing about getting ready to BTFD…!!!! He!he! 😬

  • Marie Slattery May 2, 2019, 7:50 am also silver chart from 1983 which i think is interesting as well..

  • Marie Slattery May 2, 2019, 7:50 am

    have a great day!

    • Verne Carty May 2, 2019, 9:54 am

      I am! 🙂 🙂 🙂

  • Marie Slattery May 2, 2019, 8:00 am

    Last words promise 🙂 so nice to see the drop in oil today…go oil…!

  • Marie Slattery May 2, 2019, 8:01 am

    last last words..uso at lower trend line..lets see if breaks it

  • Verne Carty May 2, 2019, 9:01 am

    Looks to me like that’s a fiver folk!
    VIX hanging tough.

  • Verne Carty May 2, 2019, 9:49 am

    A VIX close above 15 means a whole world of hurt for the short vol cohort.
    Will it be a Samuel Clemens type blow-up, slowly at first, and then all at once?! 🙂

    • Jack Carter May 2, 2019, 3:38 pm

      Don’t you mean Ernest Hemingway???

      • Verne Carty May 2, 2019, 6:37 pm

        Hemingway did indeed use the phrase, Jack.
        There is some debate over whether Twain of F. Scott Fitzgetald first coined it! The former was well-known for his lavish spending so I suspect he was the author! 😊

  • Vivek Sahay May 2, 2019, 9:57 am

    The bulls are trying to defend 2900. I was keeping some powder dry for selling on New moon….but will be forced into selling the last piece earlier in case we break below 2890. Crude has cleanly broken the wedge. This is the level bulls have to defend to make it look like a 3 wave decline over there.

  • Verne Carty May 2, 2019, 10:05 am

    I STILL wanna see a 2900 decisive break. These banksters are tricksy.
    In my humble opinon, this dive not withstanding, above 2900 those slicksters remain leveraged. We are not entirely safe until the are FORCED to unwind…

    • Verne Carty May 2, 2019, 6:40 pm

      I have a feeling the banksters are going to remain leveraged until we tag the next roun number at 3000.00

  • Verne Carty May 2, 2019, 10:25 am

    2900 holding, the banksters are still lurking..he!he! 🙂

  • Verne Carty May 2, 2019, 10:30 am

    Taking some juicy profits off the table. The banksters are not quite ready to exit.
    Backing up the 18 wheeler for the next bounce.
    They are VERY tricksy! 🙂

  • Verne Carty May 2, 2019, 10:38 am

    Trading plan is to deploy a massive SPY bull put one point spread at 289/290 with a hard stop on any close BELOW SPX 2900. Here is hoping we don’t get a monster gap down past it. These banksters are VERY tricksy! haha! 🙂

  • mojo May 2, 2019, 11:45 am

    Took some VOL off after hours near high last night, another chunk around noon. Wishing right now I’d taken off more with their push below VIX 15, but I like a double scoop of VOL into May/June and maybe July when Q2 earning come out… watching for rate of change surprises. Will be trading around the position and adding sector exposure long/short on divergence.

    • mojo May 2, 2019, 12:53 pm

      Appointments messing up trading, but @2:30 put on more VOL TVIX @20.96. Feels good now, but need a deep, dark candle on close to see unwinding. 2-edged sword to see VOL get volatile again HaHa!

  • bpower944 May 2, 2019, 5:33 pm

    This clip from CNBC Fast Money show today, you have to listen closely after the 3:00 min mark, but he is also is calling the 2100 level before going to new highs, echoing Peter T’s excellent analysis. Perhaps he got those target levels here ?

    • Peter Temple May 2, 2019, 10:38 pm

      lol … THAT I doubt, but thanks, anyway.

  • Tom C. May 2, 2019, 6:04 pm
  • Tom C. May 2, 2019, 6:50 pm

    Hi P.
    I know you’re excited about Monday
    here is my call for Monday May the 6th;
    assuming the crooks don’t invert it, this is hopefully how it should play out
    all the best!

    • Verne Carty May 2, 2019, 8:02 pm

      Awesome! 🙂

    • p. May 2, 2019, 10:25 pm

      Thank you!

    • Peter Temple May 2, 2019, 10:39 pm

      I think this is looking pretty good, Tom.

      • Tom C. May 3, 2019, 11:11 am

        Hi Peter
        If you think Monday looks good! feast your eyes on the 13th of May
        I can’t imagine the FED or Trump (thru his advisers) not countering
        with some kind of Trillion dollar Mega infrastructure project
        announcement. We’ve seen the set-up to this story this week with Pelosi and Schumer. The China story is losing traction so a new story is being cooked up in order to prop up markets when the time is right. (Just ignore the man behind the curtains).

  • Marie Slattery May 3, 2019, 5:45 am

    Thank you Tom…!!

  • Verne Carty May 3, 2019, 7:54 am

    Thank you, BTF Dippers! 😀😀😀

  • Verne Carty May 3, 2019, 8:16 am

    It is truly incredible what you can do with timely executed credit spreads!
    It is the only trading approach I know that gives you a distinct advantage over the market makers, and which actually PAYS you to execute your trade. Never quite understood why so few traders do not have it in their arsenal…😉

    • Verne Carty May 3, 2019, 8:18 am

      BTW Peter, as soon as they get “The Bitter End” repaired from the hurricane carnage the next excursion is on me! 😊

  • Verne Carty May 3, 2019, 9:25 am

    A green VIX print prior to the close grants permission to take a few banksters out back and administer a severe spanking…”Naughty!!” 😁😁😁

  • Verne Carty May 3, 2019, 9:34 am

    My, the Qs are frisky!
    Exactly WHERE, do they think they are going?! Hyuk! 😁

  • Verne Carty May 3, 2019, 9:40 am

    Triple Q 192 puts expiring next Friday are a steal at 1.99!
    Made cheaper by more VIX suppression today…
    The short vol cohort is really dumb! 😁

  • Verne Carty May 3, 2019, 9:55 am

    The sharp move up in Triple Q clearly designed to stop out traders entering short on the sell signal from the busted wedge.
    I was kinda expecting the rascals to do just that…😜

  • Verne Carty May 3, 2019, 10:02 am

    On moves such as we are expecting, you can start with a little and end up with a lot if you are a skilled options trader. The secret is rolling gains into new contracts with the highest delta on the way down. If you do it successfully three or four times….well, you can do the math. Doing it with spread proceeds means you do it with zero risk!
    Now, those are my kinda trades! 😎
    Have a wonderful (and profitable!) week-end everyone!

  • Joe Longwill May 3, 2019, 3:10 pm

    I’m becoming to think we have a lot of nervous bulls in this market .
    Call them cautiously optimistic yet also scared and obviously nervous .
    Not trying to sell my own bias here just noting a few things .
    BA has had only 3 down weekly bars in 10 weeks . The stock looks dead .
    if it turns down we could get a mini panic .
    INTC took a steep dive ( not talking about today )
    The past 2 days hit took place with CTSH .
    I’m sure there are others .
    We can assume stops being triggered at very unfavorable prices .
    A stop at say 61.30 on a stock that opens at 61 or 59 can just
    Kill a stock in no time flat .
    I do not believe in using stops for that reason .
    As my dad used to tell me
    Be careful what you wish for, it may just come true .
    Sticking to my plan for the month of may .
    This past week an ok week for the most part .
    Today a pretty good day overall .
    The internals though as I peak under the hood not
    Looking so great .
    Itchy trigger fingers may bring better buying opurtunities
    Near the end of may
    25412 still seems a reasonable downside objective with lower targets
    If that level gets taken out .
    Enjoy the weekend !

  • Joe Longwill May 3, 2019, 3:48 pm

    I’ll plan on using the cash Dow at or near 26448.89
    As key resistance .Friday’s close at 26504 is above that level .
    Next higher level is 27216 but I’m doubting it .
    So 26585.62 needs to hold then a drop back below 26448.89
    And that 26448.89 should be taken out with an acceleration move
    Down or I’d say something is wrong .
    Clear A B C down in place ( A ) with now being ( B ) the high .
    might end up being a Sunday futures trade in the overnight market
    If this market is going to gap down Monday .
    For me this is a hedging stradegy only at this point .
    All I have to say .
    Enjoy the weekend

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