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Unexpected Turbulence Dead Ahead

The “unexpected turbulence” I’m referring to in the title is only unexpected to the trading herd and the bulls.

Anyone reading my blog posts lately knows I’m expected a rather turbulent end to this large B wave to the upside.

It’s seemingly never-ending but I think that’s just to add to the overall market complacency. Expect a turn down mid week.

We have the spring equinox on Tuesday and the latest Federal Reserve announcement on Wednesday at 2PM EST. It’ll be interesting to see if they raise rates. It doesn’t matter to the market, because it’s already determined what it’s going to do.

So, I’m still looking for a regular flat top in ES/SP500 and an expanded flat top in NQ/NDX.

The Big Guys are Losing Steam

Above is the daily chart of Tesla (TSLA). I’ve shown this chart before and there’s little change, other than the fact that’s it starting to move lower. This puts Tesla in the third wave to the downside which should bottom below 208.91.

Above is the daily chart of Facebook (FB). After completing an ending diagonal and an apparent first wave down, we’ve been stalled out at the top of the second wave (at the 62% retrace level. If we’ve indeed topped, we should see a third wave down with the drop C wave drop we’re expecting in the US indices.

Regular and Expanded Flats

The pattern tracing out in ES and the SP500 seems to me to be a regular flat. Here’s an description of the traits of a flat (from the Elliott Wave Principle):

“A flat correction usually retraces less of the proceeding impulse waves than does a zigzag. It tends to occur when the larger trend is strong, so it virtually always precedes or follows an extension. The more powerful the underlying trend, the briefer the flat tends to be. Within an impulse, the fourth way frequently sports of flat while the second wave rarely does.”

Regular Flat (below)

Above is a chart showing a very simple drawing of a regular flat. Think about the large fourth wave in ES that we’ve been tracing out since January 29. The BULL Market wave on the left in this diagram relates to the probable pattern we have unfolding.

The first set of waves down from the 2875 area was in three waves (a zigzag). This is the A wave of the flat.

The wave up from about 2530 is also in three waves. This is the B wave of the flat, and it’s not quite complete. My target now on the upside should be above 2850 in ES and a 2838 in the SP500. A turn down into Wave C that traces out five waves will complete the pattern (3-3-5).

Expanded Flat (below)

The only difference between a regular flat and an expanded flat is that in expanded flat, the B wave goes to a new high (the pertinent diagram is the one on the left, for a bull market)

Summary: We seem to have a regular flat in progress in ES and an expanded flat setting up in NQ. Look for a final rally into perhaps midweek and then a sudden turn down into the C wave. The C wave in both flat patterns will drop to a new fourth wave low.

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The Market This Week

Here's the latest daily chart of ES (emini futures)

Above is the daily chart of ES (click to enlarge, as with any of my charts).

We're looking for a top in the B wave of a regular flat this week (after one final leg up to a new B wave high and above the 90% retrace level — measured from the all time high). That 90% level is 2850 in ES.

The flat is still the best option for both ES (regular flat) and NQ (expanded flat).

Expect a turn up either this weekend or Monday. Then expect a top perhaps in conjunction with the Federal Reserve announcement on Wednesday.  The medium term projection is for a new fourth wave low in a C wave down.

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  • Willem March 18, 2018, 3:30 am

    Hi Peter, Thanks, I was the Federal Reserve announcement vergotten. If I look at the movements now, we will make a High on the 21th. (what you expected). And if there is a panic created by the FED we could make the LOW in April 2-6. The redline must confirm it. I will be updating it every day. http://www.prognoseus500.nl/

    • Tom C. March 18, 2018, 9:07 am

      energy chart for next week
      https://ibb.co/jdERPc

      • Willem March 19, 2018, 9:48 am

        Hi Tom, Nice to see youre indicators. Do not be angry but i do not like them inverted, because you/we can’t predict the invertion. And the moment we go to normal. But you can work wit it. 🙂

  • Joe Longwill March 18, 2018, 5:33 am

    Thanks for the update Peter 🙂
    I’m still working yet concerned at this juncture
    Due to the moon as well as the puetz cycle which
    Is not working as a bearish cycle . The momentum move
    Typically ends near or on the new moon yet the cycle
    Still points to an end point on April 4 th .
    Mercury is about to go retrograde on Friday I think
    March 23 rd ( need to check ) I’m starting to consider
    April 4 as a high yet technically it is a forecast LOW.
    June 6 is another low and if that is indeed a low then
    We should see more sideways movements for the next
    Couple months .
    August – Sept is where the next bearish cycles kick in again .
    I’m not bullish this year due to the many bearish cycles yet
    My gut tells me to be cautious with any bearish trades .
    Crude oil went sideways for a very long time before it broke down
    As did the Sox index back in 2004-2007 .
    I have yet to pinpoint what us holding this market up .
    Lastly in regards to the puetz window I’ll note bitcoin.
    A strong bounce this week would not suprise me yet
    I do not trade the crypto currencies .
    Present moon borrowed from the bottom left
    Of this blog :
    The moon is currently in Aries
    The moon is 1 day old
    It’s been a while since I updated the repeat patterns
    Of the moon yet it might be worth looking into .
    Mini bear cycles in the Dow tend to last 51 trade days
    And or 60 to 90 calendar days . If wave C is indeed a flat
    It needs to get moving rather quickly and travel a long ways
    In a short time .
    The full moon near the end of March and the mid point of mercury
    Retrograde along with the mars Uranus cycle point to April 4 as a low
    Option expiry is now behind us so the next 10 to 13 trading days
    Can and should be wild ( assuming wave C is coming )
    The Dow though has not poked above its late Feb high
    Which leaves me mixed at the moment .
    I have not looked at the NYA but feel it is warranted before
    Making any solid bullish or bearish calls this late in this
    Bearish sub cycle .
    I’m hedged yet not outright short .
    Something is still amiss in my eyes with this market
    And having to much of a bearish bias may not work out so well
    That said come August and Sept I’ll look for a better set up
    To emerge and trade accordingly.
    As noted before , a June 6 low ( from a continued sideways
    Market ) targets a Sept 9 high followed by a steep crash like
    Decline .
    Maybe the Aug-Sept cycle highs is the top of wave 5 ?
    To soon to call it but it’s what I’m considering .
    All for now
    Thanks again Peter for your updates
    Joe

  • Ed March 18, 2018, 9:39 am

    Joe,

    Thank You and Peter T for your thoughtful and meticulous analysis.

  • Bill rider March 19, 2018, 8:12 am

    Peter T,

    Are you now expecting 2730 to 2838 from Monday to Wednesday and then down to C wave low.

  • Peter Temple March 19, 2018, 9:00 am

    The next fib level for ES that I have is down around 2710. Wait for 5 waves up and three down if you’re going to attempt to play this.

    As I’ve been saying, surprises are now to the downside.

    Currencies for the most part seem to have turned.

  • Peter Temple March 19, 2018, 9:42 am

    The wave down is corrective, but as per my last comment, I don’t really have another fib level until the 2710 area and they we’re looking for 5 waves up.

    • Peter Temple March 19, 2018, 9:45 am

      Hmm. Seems I didn’t make that comment before, looking back. But we may get weakness down to that level. I’ve been looking for other relationships, and can see another at 2716 for the SP500 but that’s a bit speculative.

  • Peter Temple March 19, 2018, 9:57 am

    FB has dropped into its third wave today. I had shown the chart in the free blog post on the weekend. It was ready to go.

  • Bill rider March 19, 2018, 10:14 am

    Peter T,

    Doesn’t traveling from 2710 to 2838 look diificult in next 3 days , so probably it wont reach that target. Is there a possibility we already had a B wave high around 2800 and going towards C wave.

    • tedward728 March 19, 2018, 11:28 am

      March 7th through March 9th had quite a strong move to the upside over three days. This would be more extreme certainly. The top of the move could also occur at the open on Thursday on a gap up.

  • Peter Temple March 19, 2018, 11:44 am

    The 38% retracement level of the entire pattern up from 2532 is at 2702 in ES. It’s a rather obscure fib ratio at this point, but this might be the turning point. I have no other fib ratios that make any sense. NQ is at an important double bottom with a previous B wave.

    It’s starting to look like we might be working on 5 waves up at small degree (1 min chart).

  • Peter Temple March 19, 2018, 12:06 pm

    The 62% retrace level here in ES would be 2704. I would wait to see that (or at least no new low) and a strong turn to the upside before getting too excited.

  • Peter Temple March 19, 2018, 12:35 pm

    Looks like ES is going to put in a double bottom … to me.

  • Joe Longwill March 19, 2018, 12:50 pm

    Food for thought .
    I am not bullish yet here is my observation .
    It appears to me that we are seeing an inversion in
    Regards to the puetz window ( even if it’s a flawed set up )
    Using the puetz cycle just by itself this decline should only last
    Another trade day or 2 before a reversal to the upside .
    Here is the twist : we are in several bearish cycles and the puetz
    Cycle inversion had only enough effect to hold the market up
    Into its momentum high cycle which is the new moon .
    Don’t quote me though it’s the first time I have seen all
    These cycles hit at the same time in this manner yet it’s worth
    Noting so I am . Following the next couple days then technically
    A weaker upward move would take place ( which I have doubts )
    Then that cycle ends . According to Chris carolan spring crashes
    Tend to be seen near full moons while fall crashes are near new moons .
    It is a bit different viewpoint and method than puetz.
    My point is we did make a high and this new moon turn
    Based on both the mars Uranus cycle as well as mercury retrograde
    Are dominating the trend which is down, the inversion in
    The puetz cycle appears to have held the market up .
    The next cycle turn due April 4 is dead ahead and technically is
    A cycle low

  • Peter Temple March 19, 2018, 12:50 pm

    WE might end up with a small ending diagonal on the downside of ES/SP500. It’s starting to look like one. It would drive to a new low and then turn around dramatically.

  • John March 19, 2018, 12:59 pm

    I have a bradley turn on March 22, I think this will be the new panic low.. with mercury going retograde..

  • Peter Temple March 19, 2018, 1:22 pm

    This is an extremely dangerous market (even more so than I keep saying).

    It’s not an ending diagonal to the downside, but all the waves are in 3’s in both directions, so if I suggested what futures were doing, I’d just be guessing.

  • Peter Temple March 19, 2018, 1:54 pm

    Looking at the futures and SP500 at the end of the day (I have to run out for a couple of hours), I would expect more downside. The waves up in all of them are corrective, so maybe we’ll get a B wave before another zigzag down. That’s what we had today—a zigzag. I don’t know yet if the flat idea is dead.

    The alternatives are a triangle (which I don’t see) or another zigzag after a B wave. However, neither of those explain the ATH in NQ/NDX.

    Currencies have decoupled from futures, which raises a big flag.

  • Peter Temple March 19, 2018, 1:56 pm

    The C wave of a flat is supposed to be an impulsive wave. However, the current wave down is corrective.

  • Ed March 19, 2018, 6:48 pm

    Joe,

    I thought you might appreciate an interview or conversation between two other very bright market minds. The interview is posted over on stockmarketcycles.com.
    The conversation is between Peter Eliades and Tim Wood…both cycles guys.

    You mention the sequential preponderance of several cycles that seem to be overlaid one on top of the other. They mention a low probability watershed type decline. The key words being “low probability”.

    It all fits with what you believe “might” be happening and with what our Peter T has said is a multi hundred year high.

  • Red Dog March 19, 2018, 7:12 pm
  • Peter Temple March 20, 2018, 7:04 am

    The flat as a valid pattern has now been relegated to second place over a set of zigzag down or even 5 waves down. That’s essentially the same pattern as a flat, just from a lower level. It doesn’t look like we’re going to make the 90% retrace level in ES. That’s about the only difference in the projection.

    Still expect a new 4th wave low for ES, but not necessarily for NQ. NQ may be tracing out an ending diagonal. Once the flat fails as a pattern in NQ, the ED is about the only option left unless something dramatically changes.

  • John March 20, 2018, 1:57 pm

    The big drop will be march 26/27…. we will slide sideways untill Friday.

  • Joe Longwill March 20, 2018, 5:27 pm

    Borrowed paragraph from link :
    https://arstechnica.com/science/2018/03/when-will-the-us-feel-the-heat-of-global-warming/?amp=1
    Let’s not forget al Gore said New York would be under water by the year 2013
    Now they still deny global cooling and push it out 50 years 🙂

    A team of researchers has now looked at heat waves in the US, trying to determine when a warming-driven signal will stand out above the natural variability. And the answer is that it depends. In the West, the answer is “soon,” with climate-driven heat waves becoming the majority in the 2020s. But for the Great Plains, the researchers show that a specific weather pattern will push back the appearance of a warming signal until the 2070s.

    • Peter Temple March 20, 2018, 8:29 pm

      Jeez, I don’t know where this started …

      It hasn’t been warmer for the past 20 years. As far as weather goes, we’re leaving winter and going into spring, which always has volatile weather. So does summer into fall. Re: climate, which is simply a higher degree fractal of the same thing, it has always turned colder and more volatile after a Uranus-Neptune conjunction. I’ve gone back over the following dates (in fact, I’m in the midst of doing this just this week): 1136 (1150), 1307 (1320), 1478 (1492), 1650 (1664), 1821 (1835), 1993 (2007). These dates are the conjunction dates (the dates in brackets are the dates plus 14 years. There is always a market crash and depression (and deflation) at each of these 14+ year milestones). I’m currently researching earlier conjunctions back to the 600 BC era).

      These are the same dates in Puetz’s book and in Dr. Wheeler’s work and are supported by the work (books) of David Hackett Fischer (The Great Wave) and Peter Turchin (Secular Cycles).

      I throw this out because the info is sitting right in front of me …

      Where I live, this year we broke lots of records for cold, as expected. (obviously only one country and only a weather anomaly at this point).

      • Peter Temple March 20, 2018, 8:30 pm

        The Uranus-Neptune conjunction is 171.4 years, as I’ve written about quite a bit before.

  • Ed March 20, 2018, 7:59 pm

    Joe,

    Were you able to find the time to listen to the conversation over on stockmarketcycles.com site between Peter Eliades and Tim Wood? If so, what did you think?

  • Bill rider March 21, 2018, 8:08 am

    Peter T,

    So probably we go as high as 2800 /2810 and then go back to your initial projection of 2420. What kind of time line are you looking for this downmove..entire april.

  • Willem March 21, 2018, 10:12 am

    Hi Bill Rider and others, my indicators are making a high on 22th. Then the high on Friday (after the close?) the decline slowly starts and to the LOW on 29th or even in 2-7 april. Just look at – http://www.prognoseus500.nl/

  • Peter Temple March 21, 2018, 2:47 pm

    Tonight is a REALLY good night to be in the Chart Show … in 15 minutes.

  • Red Dog March 21, 2018, 3:43 pm

    Luri where have you gone.

    • luri March 22, 2018, 5:33 am

      red………”dog”………………………….are you ……”MISSING”….me?

      internet connections are difficult in a nuclearized “bomb” proof …….underground “bunker”……

      ES…..wide angle lens………https://invst.ly/6zrfe [to be fair…..a wide angle lens will easily add 12 pounds to the chart….that is, the chart looks “fat”] :-))

      ES……close up………….https://invst.ly/6zrit

      RUT……….https://invst.ly/6zrlp

      as you can tell……all the charts are black……..the shadow has covered even these charts………..

      oh yeah…………red…………………………”BE WARNED!”…………………

  • John March 22, 2018, 3:45 am

    They al left the building, the panic is close still believe we will drop into March 27.

  • luri March 22, 2018, 5:50 am

    on the way to the store………………………i stumbled upon an ASI

    well in the unabridged version of ………….”The Fairy Tales Grimm”………..the ASI is the accumulated swing index………….used for purposes as “confirmation” of change in trend……………………..

    NYA……..ASI…………….https://invst.ly/6zrq- …………..uptrend over. broken on 2/2/18

    hmmm………………. methinks the sale on sweet potatoes “beith”……… perfectly timed!!! ……………carry on……………oh yes…………and ……..”BE WARNED!!!!”……….

    • luri March 22, 2018, 5:53 am

      red,

      i replied back to you……………although the response is “awaiting moderation”…..

      patience is pleasing in purple…………………………….. said otherwise…………”reply cometh”

  • luri March 22, 2018, 8:03 am

    red dog………………remember ……”way back when”…………when you were still ……

    red “pup”………………………….and you asked me for a bitcoin chart……

    well here she be………………still in play………….hmmmm…

    https://invst.ly/6ztmj

  • luri March 22, 2018, 8:10 am

    ……………hmm…………….am i hearing “echos”…………………..or did someone disparage me ……and call me “FAT”!………………………….

    well…….to you mr. echo……………………i give to the fine you….. the DXY…..

    https://invst.ly/6ztpa

  • Verne Carty March 22, 2018, 8:25 am

    Fat??! Did you say “Fat??”. I would have the offender know that I deeply resemble that aspersion. We would much prefer “Nicely Filled”, now, would we not? 🙂

    • John March 22, 2018, 8:49 am

      Verne,
      Can you give Liz a call, we need an update about the fractals…

    • luri March 22, 2018, 9:40 am

      there are NO fat skeletons verne………………………nary a single one!……..so ashes to ashes, and dust to dust…………we are all ………skinny b*tches………… :-))

  • Verne Carty March 22, 2018, 9:57 am

    Sticks and stones may break…well, you know…! 🙂

  • luri March 22, 2018, 10:05 am

    …ES update….

    “one at a time”……..you animals!!…..were you raised in a ….”barn”…….open the door for that gender neutral ….”moustached”……lady man!!…

    https://invst.ly/6zv9a

    • Red Dog March 22, 2018, 2:50 pm

      Luri thank god your back. Chat hasn’t been the same. Sun is just coming up in the Land Down Under.

      • luri March 22, 2018, 5:35 pm

        red,

        anchovies melt away when sauteed……..and they add that certain ……”je ne sais quoi “……………to any dish…….that layer of complexity…..that giggle on the palate……………

        so in short…………………….. ARE YOU BE CALLING ME AN ………..”ANCHOVY”????….

        ES end of day…………[cough]………ahem…………..anchovy………”indeed”!
        https://invst.ly/6zzo7

        larger view…………https://invst.ly/6zzom

        • luri March 22, 2018, 5:40 pm

          :-))

        • Verne Carty March 22, 2018, 6:16 pm

          Sounds a bit fishy to me…and exactly what are you angling at, might I politely inquire…hmmmnnnn?

          • luri March 22, 2018, 6:29 pm

            verne,

            may i be the first person to ask you to explain…….”why oh why”………

            …………..”why has there been no negative divergence on the A/D line??”

            i need the answer………double spaced and hand written……….and yes verne………..you must utilize script writing……………..!

            now about this fish obsession of yours…………………..would you care to share it with the class??

            :-))

          • Verne Carty March 23, 2018, 7:08 am

            It all goes back to my childhood luri. I was devastated to be told as a young un, and in no uncertain terms:
            “You can tune a piano,
            But you can’t tuna fish!” 🙂

  • Joe Longwill March 22, 2018, 3:40 pm

    Ed
    I have not listened to the interview yet I will .
    Tim wood is a pure Dow theorist more so than a cycles guy from what I have seen.
    His main theme being the 4 year cycle . It’s been 10-11 years since I have had emails
    With him or listened to him . Peter elaides a fairly technical analysis type guy and uses
    Low low high or low high high type timing methods . Both of them I have followed from a distance
    From time to time . That said I must rely on my own work which calls for a swing low
    April 4 yet the end of this bearish cycle runs into Jan next year .
    With the primary trend as down in my work my thoughts are all surprises will be to the downside
    Waterfall decline or not .
    Not a forecast but….. The March 2017 lows are allowed for in my work . Whether the market
    Gets there remains to be seen .

    • Ed March 22, 2018, 4:31 pm

      Joe,

      What about your 2.2 x Wave A which gives 748 S&P points. That 748 points subtracted from 2802ish swing high gives a 2054 target for a Wave C should the price waves fall into place. Not seeking trading or investment advice.

      Any thoughts? Thank you for responding.

  • rotrot March 22, 2018, 3:45 pm

    https://twitter.com/allerotrot/status/976933411595137024
    BPCOMPQ diverged negatively with price at the recent NASDAQ all-time-high…indicators cause me to believe there is more room for a continued run to the downside…?

  • luri March 22, 2018, 5:52 pm

    Liz,

    if you can hear me…………..up over there……………………..above the clouds…..and into the wild of blue yonders……………….the gang is back…..

    correction … ……….”ALMOST”……….. back………………we are “almost” all here……………..and as odd a collection of personalities that there ever was……………………

    We are unable attain full “gang” status…………………without you………….and we need you back ………………besides, remember that FENDI bag you loaned me……….ITS TIME FOR ME TO MAN UP……………….and TO GIVE IT BACK………………..(sniff)…….

    OK now calm down……………………..”IT WAS A “GENDER” NEUTRAL BAG PEOPLES!!!!………………………..

    • Peter Temple March 22, 2018, 6:11 pm

      Good to see you back. In your honour, I’ve relaxed the moderation to allow up to 6 urls. Everyone here has to sign in, anyway, so there’s really no need for that restriction.

      • luri March 22, 2018, 6:23 pm

        ahhhh….thanks peter!!!

        question……………………what exactly …..”IS” ……..the meaning of ….”koombaya”

        it would be incumbent upon me to understand this concept, as i am experiencing ……………………”you guessed it”…………………a koombaya moment….

        :-))

        • Peter Temple March 22, 2018, 9:05 pm

          Oh, gawd, Luri … you just brought back memories of a week at Club Med … when I was (hopefully) much more foolish …

    • luri March 22, 2018, 6:17 pm

      BTW LIZ,,,,,,,’

      my fib levels for the ES are still in play………………………1800 – 1900 one fib level

      and 1600ish………………………second fib level……………………….

      ……………………….who will contain me and my fib levels…….???…….you will liz….

      come back!

  • Joe Longwill March 22, 2018, 6:28 pm

    Ed
    Keep on mind I do not have much data to go off of.
    The Venus bull cycle began in March 2017 , a return
    To that point is allowed for yet is not a forecast.
    The 2.2 and 3.2 times wave A levels I have seen hit many
    Times .
    At the moment though I am looking for a sub cycle low
    April 4 . It is to soon to call this wave C even if it appears to be.
    Without having more data and with out seeing the internal
    Data and indicators I cannot claim that this market is oversold.
    Without quantifying this leg I cannot make any valid wave decisions
    Or forecasts . For me right now I can only say a cycle low is due
    April 4 .
    9 trading days to go until April 4 .
    If the market fails to make a new low then what ?
    On the other hand if the market does make a new low
    Yet the internals and indicators fail to make a new low
    It would set up some bullish divergences .
    Without having the data in front of my only thoughts
    Are if the Dow fails to make a new low below the Feb lows
    Then I’d consider wave A down in early Feb and the initial
    Leg up into late Feb as minor wave a of a larger wave B .
    To complicate it more . A failure for the Dow to make a new low
    Would imply we are in a deep minor b wave will with minor
    Wave c going back above the late Feb highs .
    (A) early Feb low then a and now b then c next ( if Dow fails
    To make a new low below the Feb lows ) . The c wave would
    Complete wave ( B ) AND to me if that played out would
    Imply a possible triangle unfolding .
    It is way way to soon to consider that yet it’s worth thinking of
    Come April 4 .
    My issue though is there is many bearish cycles in place
    So I must keep a bearish view for the entire year

    • Ed March 22, 2018, 7:55 pm

      Joe,

      Thank You once again for responding. I think I understand and am looking forward to your next post. Hopefully I am not badgering you.

  • Joe Longwill March 22, 2018, 8:05 pm

    Ed
    I know Tim wood is a strict Dow theorist and I know
    He has spent thousands of research on the subject.
    This link is saying the market is close to a Dow theory sell signal
    I’d bounce this article off of Tim wood’s work if you follow him.
    https://www.marketwatch.com/amp/story/guid/3C849CD4-2E1F-11E8-81FB-B7175F43D5CD
    A simple Google search : Dow theory sell signal will get you
    To the article if the link fails .
    Peter T
    You may have hit paydirt with the Neptune Uranus cycle .
    I don’t have time to explain it but I did some math the other night
    And discovered wd Gann, Martin Armstrong and a bit of Fibonacci along
    With a few others work
    In that 171 year cycle .
    I have always felt Uranus holds a lot of keys to the planetary
    Alignments yet both Uranus and Neptune together is something
    I’m going to dig much further into .
    There are 32 points to a compass at 11.25 degrees
    Each ( Gann )
    Neptune and Uranus move approx 2.105 degrees closer
    Or further per year ( 2.105 * 171 = 359.95 )
    14 years after conjunct = 29.47 , approx 30 degrees of separation
    2009-1993= 16 Years after conjunct or 33-34 degrees of separation
    Note : the year 1906-1907 was approx 180 degrees
    1/2 of 171 equals 85.5 which is very close to Armstrong’s
    8.6 * 10, 86 year cycle .
    Note 42 3/4 years swings which are 1/4 of 171 years
    These represent 90 degree movements .
    To nail this down though as I have with the mars Uranus cycle
    Will take 1000-6000 years of data to even grasp how this cycle
    Works with any consistency . That said I’m going to use the mars Uranus model
    And run the progression and just see how well it’s held up
    Since 1993 to date .
    The 59-60 degree angle would be of importance which
    I can get more accurate on but roughly 59 times 2.105 degrees
    Per year 59/2.105=28 years from 1993 or the years 2021-2022
    I will acknowledge you said 171.4 years .
    Benner business cycle low is due in 2021 from a 2018 high.
    I have much more research to do with this planetary pair
    But for now just pointing out my observations .

    • Peter Temple March 22, 2018, 9:04 pm

      Let me know what you find out about the Uranus Neptune cycle. I’m combining Puetz with Wheeler, Dewey and a few more recent luminaries. There’s fascinating independent data that supports these cycles (events, inflation, wars, etc.). It’s all coming together …

  • Dan Goulding March 22, 2018, 8:07 pm

    Puetz’ s crash sequence has largely played out and suggests the S&P500 has either bottomed or is within a few days of a bottom depending on how one runs the calculations. There is the chance of further erosion for another 4 weeks per the Japanese example, but otherwise, we should be on guard for a nice rally into June/July 13th if Puetz’s eclipse cycle holds form going forward.

  • Joe Longwill March 22, 2018, 8:12 pm

    Ed
    Your not badgering me
    It’s just I’m working 12 hour days and on a boat and have
    Limited data .
    As long as you understand that and understand I’m working with
    Variables because of my lack of data then it’s all good .
    4 hours to sleep then back to work .
    I’m hoping to be home in a week or so at the latest .

  • Joe Longwill March 22, 2018, 8:16 pm

    Dan
    How do you calculate the puetz cycle in order to come up that it has been successful ?
    And how to you conclude it’s finished ?
    How do you calculate the rally into June July ?
    All info would be very much appreciated
    Joe

  • Dan Goulding March 22, 2018, 9:24 pm

    Hey Joe,

    I’ve been trying to put together my own coherent interpretation of the many pieces that go together in the Puetz possible. So any errors are that of my own making and anything I say is subject to further revision. Essentially there is the eclipse cycle which unfolds every 173.5 days from memory – a general description of what the market does based on what geomagnetism is doing. And then you have his topping sequence which is really just the eclipse cycle but I feel should be kept separate for analytical purposes. The topping pattern is a 6-week pattern (in most cases) with a bottom 2 weeks later (in most cases).The reason why I say they should be kept separate is that while more often than not the topping pattern is closely syncing with the eclipse cycle there are occasions when this is not the case, for example when the market peaks on the second new moon prior to the solar eclipse. The market may still follow a 6/8 week topping/crash pattern but it is slightly out of step with the eclipse cycle. If you look at what the S&P 500 has done, you had the peak not far off the new moon prior to the SE and 6 weeks later, you have had a secondary top which does not necessarily line up exactly with a full moon. 8 weeks from the top is essentially around now, which is not that far off the new moon which is what the eclipse cycle calls for. I hope that all makes sense.

    Dan

    • Dan Goulding March 22, 2018, 9:30 pm

      Based on the eclipse cycle, geomagnetism sets up the potential for a nice rally of maybe 60-90 days into the one of the new moons prior to the next SE

  • Joe Longwill March 23, 2018, 1:45 am

    Ed
    I may have mis interpreted your thoughts on the interview
    Yet after listening to Tim wood and Peter elaides it sounds to me
    Like they are both bearish . Peter elaides did give a downside projection
    To the 19,000-20000 range along with a few others . Overall I felt the interview
    Was insightful .
    For me though I’ll add that I use some of the very same indicators they do along
    With a few oscillators that I created myself .
    At the end of the day I must go with my own work and without having any internal
    Data to dig into I cannot quantify where the market presently sits .
    We began this week with the potential for a strong decline coming off of a March 17
    Mars Uranus swing high along with the full moon . If the puetz cycle was standing alone
    And had inverted then a turn up from a low around now would be expected yet that upward
    Turn would be weak and last into April . The problem is the mars Uranus cycle points down
    Into April 4 , Venus is now in a bear phase as it moves further and further away from the sun .
    The Venus bear phase lasts until October and the mars Uranus bear phase lasts until January .
    This latest very short term cycle involves mercury going retrograde . Which I believe is only now
    Just beginning ( March 23 ) and lasts until mid April ( April 15 ) and as I have mentioned before
    Add 10 days to that start and stop which is roughly. April 4 to April 25.
    I have not completed my historical data on this cycle but the general rule I use is the 10 day lag
    From the start if the market heads down at the beginning. So April 4 shows up again as a potential low
    When mercury goes retrograde the market tends to go all over the place both up and down .
    We have now entered the mercury retrograde cycle .
    Now is not the time to be fixated on direction , now is the time to let the crazy market action
    Confuse a lot of people . The picture won’t really come clear until after April 15 – 25 th .
    What will really be the proof in the pudding will lay with the internals of the market along
    With the indicators . Price is not always the ruler .
    That may sound off base yet reversals and washout lows come with extremes in price
    But not extremes in the indicators .
    For another day I suppose .
    Bottom line I’m bearish, I’m expecting a low ( higher or lower than the Feb low ) on or near
    April 4 . After that I’m expecting a sideways to upward bias .
    That sideways to upward bias may form a bearish B wave triangle which runs into August Sept .
    If we do see a new low below the Feb lows form then I’d still look for a sideways to upward
    Move into Aug Sept .
    My point is that I don’t want to or intend to call for a significant low until January and that
    Leaves us many months for the pattern to show itself .
    We can have an A B C ( A ) forming if the April 4 low is below the Feb lows and that would
    Get the bulls excited yet to me the move up would be a B wave and no new high to follow .
    Or we have wave A in Feb yet now and as I posted above is something more complex .
    All in all though regardless of the variables I must stay bearish until January .

  • Joe Longwill March 23, 2018, 1:58 am

    Dan
    Thanks for your input
    It’s always good to hear another viewpoint 🙂
    I’m going to be quiet for a few days and let the market
    Do it’s thing .
    Good luck everyone

  • luri March 23, 2018, 5:28 am

    ES – overnight
    https://invst.ly/6-4ez

    mornin’ poptarts!………………………….wakey wakey!

    • luri March 23, 2018, 5:34 am

      consolidation at the lower end of the range, is a “continuation” pattern…….look for ……..everyday……..”lower” prices…………..

  • Verne Carty March 23, 2018, 6:13 am

    VIX notched a high of 50.30, more than double its low for that day of 22.42, on Feb 6 as SPX completed a third wave down. VIX went on to make a lower high (41.06) on Feb 9 when the index completed the fifth wave of the impulse down. The index range on Feb 6, the day the third wave completed was roughly 2593 to 2701. The index made a lower low of approximately 2533 on January 9, while at the same time VIX notched a lower high, confirming the fifth wave. I used VIX for years to count impulses down until it stopped working reliably a few years ago due to the incredible distortion of the short vol trade. It seems to be working again with the blow up of the short vol skew.
    Here is what I find quite interesting. While we have not made a lower low yesterday than at the end of the third wave on Feb 6, we have certainly made a lower high, yet VIX shows not a sign, at least not to me, of anything remotely resembling capitulation. This is most noteworthy. Despite the distance the indices have fallen over the last several days, the level of complacency in the market is truly stunning. Anecdotally it is evident in the comments traders are making, and certainly demonstrable in the relatively muted response of VIX, compared to where it traded last Feb 6. Granted it was up 5.48 at 30.68% on Thursday, we still have nothing even remotely resembling panic. In fact on Wednesday we had the weekly theft from traders when VIX saw its typical spike down intra-day to 16.36! (Stink bids placed on Tuesday in anticipation of this weekly event returned an instant double. It is really amazing that you can do this just about every week!) This is a time, in my humble opinion, to expect surprises to the downside. I thought we could see a reversal today but price may prove me wrong. RUT only on Thursday joined the other indices in penetrating its 50 day so this party may be just getting started!

    • luri March 23, 2018, 6:59 am

      hey verne,

      yes, i am with you on your observations…………..

      so……….what i am looking at in terms of RUT is that it hit the 200dma yesterday, which is why it was “lagging”…………….as the 200 dma was providing support……it seems that the RUT will give us insight as what is next….a drop through the 200 dma and the stop run begins……..and will potentially foreshadow the outcome for the other indexes……….. https://invst.ly/6-5hq

      blue – 50 dma……..purplepink – 100 dma……..and the orange – 200 dma

      • luri March 23, 2018, 7:09 am

        …yeah….you probably mistyped the 50 dma for the RUT……..and meant 100 dma………………………….

        my brain is always outrunning my typing…….so i guilty of such …….constantly!!

  • luri March 23, 2018, 7:35 am

    https://invst.ly/6-5wk

    so the ES has the potential …..”confirmation” of a sell signal occurring yesterday on the ASI…….[accumulated swing index]……… this would follow in the NYA’s footsteps, as it confirmed a sell signal on 2/2/18 https://invst.ly/6-5zs

    these signals are ‘rare’……………………and relatively reliable………………..

    ……..”BE WARNED!!!”

  • Verne Carty March 23, 2018, 8:40 am

    I am looking at a 3 month chart for the RUT 2000 and the 50 day is drawn at around 1560. IWM on the same time frame also showinig initial 50 day penetration yesterday. I now expect the indices to attempt an underside tag. SPX and DJI may have already failed with the Wed shooting stars.

    • luri March 23, 2018, 9:09 am

      https://invst.ly/6-75t

      wow verne, thank you…………………something very funky with the “investors” platfomr for the RUT is happening….. above is the snapshot of the dialy time frame, and you can see where prices are registering……but in reality it is at 1540’s……huh….

      it corrects itself when i am at the 60 minute time frame………my apologies…..

      • Verne Carty March 23, 2018, 10:07 am

        🙂

  • luri March 23, 2018, 9:12 am

    ES update – https://invst.ly/6-7bc

    back test of the orange channel……and so far “rejection”……….

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